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sunboy
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(5/5/02 12:56:30 pm)
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Bring it on,
Herman
In light of your recent plans to get rid of all of #MRev's and
MugenSHANK's friends and associates, we've compiled a list of MRev's
and MugenSHANK's norms. I strongly urge that you mass ban MRev. Ban
each and every one of
us.
BigEliKing
Blackjack
cabbit
Cipher44
daimyo
DarkOffspring
DavidGee
Deuce
Dust999
[E]
Heartburn
Kid
Jared
Jin Kazama 8
Kamek
Kitsune
Sniper
Koga
LegatoB
Man
M
Mattasaur
MystikBlaze
Necromancer
nodeX
Nuse
Pneophen
[Rabite]
Ragnarok
Nemo
Reu
RichLockhard
Rolento187
RRRRRRRR
Sander
Sephfire2001
Shinaku
Shingin
ShoShingo
Sine
Skl
SMI
Soldats
Sopitas
sorrowedge
Splode
Sunboy
Titiln
VN
Artist
Warpticon
WilloughbyJackson
XGargoyle
Zhil
They
are all MRev. Whether they get under your skin or scar your
emotions, that's who they are, and you can find them at MugenSHANK
and #MRev. It is mine and Ragnarok's hope that you go through with
your brilliance in FULL and see where your superior intellect and
administrative talent takes you, or with what it leaves
you.
And you can start with the the people currently in
#MRev: [Rumiko], cabbit007, Jared, Ragnarok, shinaku, Soldats,
Sopitas, Splode, Suppi, Warpticon, [BigEliKing], and
[Seph].
Good day to you, star admin. Give my regards to VK.
I'm sure his immature and insecure opinions have shaped you much.
His emotions have certainly spilled over.
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Ragnarok
Nemo
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(5/5/02 1:12:28
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
Please, if you plan on banning one or two, be thorough. Every one on
that list is a known potential instigator, and a known and convicted
felon of thoughtcrimes against this great forum. Ban every one of
them if you ban a single one.
I'd like to make it clear that
I strongly endorse this move, OHerman. I think your plans will do
nothing but good for the community; none of these abovementioned
miscreants are worth your time and effort dealing with civilly, as
they are not toadies.
In case you're taking suggestions on
forum improvements as Deuce was once upon a time, I'd like to make a
request that you rename MUGEN Dev to The Retard Zoo (with a (c)
DavidGee underneath -- credit where credit is due).
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drop a big elbow on the world." -- Cactus Jack |
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dhtp
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(5/5/02 1:21:43 pm)
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
why do you want to be banned Ragnarok Nemo? I think that you are a
great thinker, you created MEE.
Deuce to ya! <------ Means "Peace"
dhtp
"It takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles
to work the trigger of a good sniper rifle"
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shinaku
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(5/5/02 1:25:18 pm)
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Re: Bring it on,
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Herman is the one proposing a mass ban.
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Ragnarok
Nemo
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
I think the vast majority of the people on that list are great
thinkers. That's my point, dhtp.
RagnarokN to ya! <---
Means "war"
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drop a big elbow on the world." -- Cactus Jack |
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RoboGeminis
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(5/5/02 1:26:10 pm)
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
I just say ban the people that always flame others. Most of them are
very nice people.
Dance!...the vertical expression of a horizontal desire.
-George Bernard Shaw
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shinaku
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(5/5/02 1:27:28 pm)
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
You people are entirely missing the point.
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dhtp
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(5/5/02 1:27:55 pm)
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
hehe, I am dumb 
Deuce to ya! <------ Means "Peace"
dhtp
"It takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles
to work the trigger of a good sniper rifle"
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Layzie
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(5/5/02 1:28:00 pm)
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
Let's not forget Layzie the Kid and xCidx.
THE FOLLOWING SIG HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY THE
NDO:
Just 2 SWEEEEET!!
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Ragnarok
Nemo
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(5/5/02 1:31:28
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
The people who flame others are, coincidentally enough, on the top
of the list of "great thinkers from the to-ban list". Funny
that.
Flames should not be a problem. People with quick wits
should be able to DEFUSE a flame war, rather than fuel it by taking
another potshot. Besides, if someone's flaming you, they usually
have a legitimate reason. Flaming should not be a bannable
offense.
Now, writing an entire post in vulgarities, or in
language that is otherwise utterly incomprehensible, should be a
bannable offense. If you can't understand what a person is trying to
say when they're TRYING to make a point, how can you expect to ever
understand them?
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(5/5/02 1:32:15
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
Quote:
Sephfire2001
Seph. 
www.seph.cjb.net
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antimatterchild
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(5/5/02
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
In #mrev antimatter is on the list currently, have fun clearing out
many of the mods and the active admin, also the majority of the
people who post characters of quality.
"We are the youth of the nineties, we've lost all hope for
humanity." Wishes to be refered to as "stupid kid in language
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Big
Eli
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(5/5/02 1:40:50 pm)
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
Oh my God! I went from lovable to the scum of MUGEN!!!
It all happened so fast....... ;_;
Big Eli
King - Whose side is he on, anyway?!
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antimatterchild
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
RoboGeminis: Actually, when your post is used as a signature it is
rather funny.
"I just say ban the people that always flame others. Most of them
are very nice people." RoboGeminis |
sunboy
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(5/5/02 2:05:30 pm)
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
Robo must've failed English, just like Cadicle.
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RoboGeminis
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(5/5/02 2:08:46 pm)
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
Me fail English? THATS UNPOSSIBLE!
Dance!...the vertical expression of a horizontal desire.
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Orochi
Herman 
Has Sakura Kasugano
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(5/5/02 3:19:59 pm)
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
Oh. Geez.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH.
Now it's confirmed.
Someone in dev has been leaking.
I posted that as a part of a
mere test, a mere loyalty check.
And now I know, there has
been rotten eggs on dev.
But now, let's face this seriously,
and what I think about the whole thing, now that someone chose to
leak this in a place were NO ONE BUT MODS AND ADMINS are priviledged
to know.
My whole MREV banning is a last resort, mind you.
And it's just a mere plan under consultation. You people have still
a chance to change. I believe you are really decent people, you just
need to be on their good side. But seeing your behavior on other
people has made these impressions bleh.
Frankly and
seriously, people, I don't want to do this, but your actions towars
the other people, whom you terrorize on a daily basis, has gone too
far. You just can't make fun of other people without hurting them,
from what i've seen! Why can't we just get along? Because *we have
lower IQs, and we don't?
*certain people in Dev, according
to numerous I've seen
Or is it that you need a place to bring
out your day-by-day grievances? And this being the latter? This is
Mugen Dev, not My Frustration Doll!
Well even though you have
real reasons to flame people, having intelligence and decency
doesn't make it up. You're using these talents to antagonize people,
not to make them realize what they're wrong at, from the looks of
the other people.
But should I do it, it's under the basis
"The fault of one is the fault of all."
If I would have to
do this, I am prepared to be labeled as everything worse the human
language has to offer, that's occupational hazards in being an
admin, I guess. You'll have people on your kness, and you have
people wanting your hide. Just to ensure peace and order. This is
the same hazard disciplinarians subject to themselves in their
jobs.
I'd rather have a silent board with no posts than a
busy board filled with hate, fear, and everything else bad that
comes to mind.
From here on, any smartaleck replies, parodys,
or sarcasm will be disregarded. Any parodies of this post will be
deleted. No questions asked.
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Good day to you, star admin. Give my regards to VK. I'm sure
his immature and insecure opinions have shaped you much. His
emotions have certainly spilled over.
Sorry, but you have not
known him long enough and up close and personal to give that
judgement. If you'll read his stuff very well, you'll find out they
hold water. it's just you don't want to accept that he has points in
his things. End of point.
My whole points in a
nutshell:
* Ban for whole MREVers are because of their
antagonizing attitudes against other people, done by a handful of
them.
* Having all these high intelligence is no reason for you
to correct other people in humiliating ways. You can always do it
politely, and they'll listen to you more, heck, even respect
you!
* Mass-ban is a last
resort. Don't
go scurrying around. Yet.
* Dev is not the place to put out your
frustration (if any).
And by the way, this is all a
professional matter. I have nothing personal against you people. I'm
just putting discipline.
SUGOI~!!
ROTBRC | Mugentopia
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The
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Flower
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(5/5/02 7:01:14 pm)
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...
I don't like this at all. You guys
want to be
banned? O_o
Sure, banning everyone will, most likely solve
the problem, but there are people from MRev are as innocent as the
next.
I'll kill you guys.
I know you want to prove a
point and all, but I don't like this "Bring
all of us
down." part. I say make a new rule or something.
"May we all live in peace
and happiness! Tee hee!" -The
Necromancer, Flower Girl Edited by: The
Necromancer at: 5/5/02 7:09:24 pm
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Re: ...
Herman, let me put it to you as plainly as I can.
Sunboy and
crew (myself included) have minimal tolerance for the kind of idiocy
that is so rampant on here. If Dev were handled the way it should
have been in the first place, it wouldn't be this
bad.
Mass-banning (or even proposing such an idea) is
ludicrous... and if you do it, you might as well ban me too. Because
I discarded the notion of trying to be political with idiots on this
forum some time ago... And to be honest, this place would go
straight to hell quickly if that happened. You may be an admin here,
but as I told Kenshin, that's more out of friendship and personal
loyalty than anything else. You don't DO anything to merit having
admin status... hell, you're barely even here.
And to be
perfectly frank, where do you get off passing some high-and-mighty
judgement on the majority of Dev's notable contributors (and sprite
editing is NOT contributing, get over it and shut the hell up)? You
haven't the right.
-Deuce
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"'Take help when offered.' And yet, I've always found that
help offered when not needed... is usually no help at all."
-Kain, Blood Omen 2
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Smogon
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Re: Bring it on,
Herman
Sunboy and crew you are right and im gonna stick with you guys
(gonna be a mrev guy today) kickass !!!!
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Visual
Kreations 
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(5/5/02 8:54:40 pm)
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Grow up.
Here's a post by me. Visual Kreations.
The name people flame.
The person everyone hates. Because I don't release my work to the
public.
Note that this post also covers some incidents where
I was referred to but failed to comment on.
I'm sure you
people would like to know what I think since you seem so infatuated
with me and keep digging me up.
Even though I quit three
years ago.
Even though I would like to stay away from such
stupid, pointless arguments.
But, here goes:
I don't
know what kind of "thinkers" some of those MUGEN "Revolution"
members think they are, posting unnecessary flames, harassing
individuals, constantly attempting takeovers of channels and running
amok when bestowed moderator status.
I think they would be
better described as "hoodlums".
I know that not everybody on
the list Sunboy provided does these things, just the immature ones
with nothing better to do with their time.
But the fact is
that all of these stupid MUGEN "revolutions", gangs and groups are a
pile of immature @#%$. If there's anything the majority of MUGEN
"Revolution" does together it's flaming and causing trouble. Reading
over some of the asinine posts on this thread alone only supports my
argument.
If there was ever a reason for anyone to "join
forces" for MUGEN it might have been for big projects, something I
haven't seen MUGEN "Revolution" produce. All I've seen are
compilations of other people's existing work.. as if MUGEN
"Revolution" is recruiting people just to embellish their own name
through its members and associates.
Is there really a need to
make a group just to release things under one name? No.
The
people that Sunboy consider part of MUGEN "Revolution" who aren't
busy flaming and causing trouble only associate with MUGEN
"Revolution" as part of their hobby, to trade tips and discuss
MUGEN.
Those people and I work on MUGEN because we enjoy it.
It's a hobby of ours. We only associate with MUGEN "Revolution"
members as part of our interest in MUGEN. They don't speak to Sunboy
or his other members to become a part of their pointless ego
parades.
In fact, I know that a number of the people that
Sunboy listed don't even want to get involved in MUGEN
"Revolution"'s stupid attention-seeking flames or are very against
it. We don't get kicks out of flaming other people like Sunboy and
his flaming mentor R________.
Some of the people named on
that list don't even care whether they belong to MUGEN
"Revolution"'s group at all. Don't think that I don't know why they
were included in the list - another simple ploy to gain respect and
win over people to support Sunboy.
I know myself that some of
those people are nice. Because they are part of MUGEN "Revolution"
does not mean I must ban them. As I said, all this gang and group
stuff is just unwarranted @#%$ - it's totally uncalled
for.
The reason I don't associate with Sunboy is because his
personality and lack of morals and tact disgust me so much that I
know I wouldn't be able to stand being in a channel with him or the
rest of his "friends".
I sometimes wonder if he targets me
because I don't want to associate with MUGEN "Revolution". Don't I
have a right to choose who I want and don't want to speak with? From
his flames it's almost like telling me, "you will join me or I will
make you suffer".
Sunboy strikes me as the kind of person
that uses people and constantly stabs them in the back, bribing them
to associate with him by providing them with warez or MUGEN
characters (whether he made them or not). I know for a fact that
many MUGEN "Revolution" members do this.
People like me
aren't into MUGEN to show off, to see whose work is better or to
even form buddy gangs and stomp on other people. If we ever form our
own private channel it's not to compete in miserable gang wars but
to get away from them.
Sunboy likes to make everything into
some big competition. How many times has he started up fights with
people, "challenging" them to make the same character?
MUGEN
isn't a @#%$ competition. It's not there for people to build their
ego, either.
Simply put, people like Sunboy need to grow up
and do something better with their time.
MUGEN "Revolution"
members sure like attaching themselves to people. What's funny is
how they accuse us of doing the same thing.
Didn't they once
attach themselves to and flame Deuce? Just like they accused us of
specifically attaching ourselves to MUGEN "Revolution" or on other
instances, JinKazama8.
Oh, sure. Jin has done plenty of
things to other people and then lied his way out, I won't even go
into that. I'm just incredulous at the amount of people willing to
believe hypocrites and liars and even join their ranks. Admitting to
ones mistakes must take astounding willpower.
How long have I
been gone from the MUGEN scene? Three years? Yet, almost every day,
I hear something of the majority of members from MUGEN "Revolution"
badmouthing me.
Am I really so important that they have to
invest so much of their time to posting nasty things about me? If
it's about my posting images of my private work, do I not have a
right to do that?
If other people didn't tell me about these
things, I would never know since I don't even look at the MUGEN
scene anymore, but some people like Sunboy follow me around like
wounded dogs.
Why does he insist on trying to get in contact
with me? Do I have something he wants? Maturity, perhaps? Or maybe
he wants my MUGEN work, to add to his MUGEN "Revolution" line-up
like he's doing with everyone else. There's certainly enough of my
work to triple its current load.
I'm not like MUGEN
"Revolution"'s other members. They could get me everything and
anything I want, but I still won't befriend them and give them my
work just because they supply me with materialistic things or shower
me with compliments.
That's the difference between friends
I've made and the "friends" they make.
Sunboy, you've spent
so much time stabbing in the dark at me for the past three years or
so. Are you happy that I'm replying now? It sure was easy to hit
something that doesn't fight back, wasn't it?
Well I'm not
fighting back. I'm just sick of your @#%$ and you can leave me out
of it.
You should leave out the other people on that list who
don't give a @#%$ about your crap too, I'm sure you know who they
are. If you don't then you need to get to know the people you
consider members of your troupe, instead of using them to boost your
gang name.
--
I also realise that the flames directed
at me increased since I posted a single message on MUGEN Development
Forum. I was always an administrator there. Do I have to tell
everybody?
The reason MUGEN Development Forum went to hell
had nothing to do with the administrators or the moderators. It was
because of posters like Sunboy and his buddies along with their @#%$
up groups that go out of their way to make every forum but their own
look like a mess. I've seen the crap they post on other forums like
Charasoon. Lamer Slayer, huh?
All I ever did to the MUGEN
Development Forum was remove some junk from the forum or move it to
the right area, and that was a good year or two ago. Does that
warrant the flames you all believe I so rightly deserve? If so then
I'm sorry for deleting flames and moving junk, where at respectable
forums like MUGEN Shank such things have been proven
acceptable.
I'm not so immature as to hate specific people
just because they associate with particular "groups", even though I
would prefer them not to and have even persuaded them as
such.
I have good reason to, seeing as how a lot of people on
your current members list have been proven to do and are known to
have done things like cause the closing of TestP's MUGEN Forum,
report other people's MUGEN websites to get them shut down and
pretend to be #mugen ops? Not to mention the MUGEN "Revolution"
regulars like flaming and causing trouble in general.
On the
topic of #mugen, it's incredible how people fail to understand why
I've ever banned anyone from #mugen. I could name specific people
and the things they've done... spamming, flooding the channel with
joining and leaving, whinging about ops and bots all day long,
arguing, flaming, attempting takeovers, the whole deal.
Yet
everybody complains, "VK is fascist, arrogant and he abuses ops!"
Sorry to burst your bubbles, but each channel has a set of rules, if
you don't like it then you should just @#%$ off.
Funnily
enough, #mugen has had a set of rules for two years now. All
#mugen's visitors have done to it, though, is scoff at it, complain
about it or purposely break the rules to annoy ops and then claim
they were victims of fascist dictatorship.
What's so fascist
about putting up a decent set of rules and enforcing them after a
hundred warnings? I would have thought that giving many warnings and
even attempting to reason with rule-breakers was a lenient and kind
thing to do. But it just turned out to be a waste of time. You can't
reason with people who refuse to accept that they've done something
offensive or wrong.
Don't think that I don't understand most
of you people. Some days you'll be fine, others you'll feel like
acting like a @#%$ and @#%$ everyone over for a bit of fun. Next day
you'll be back to normal and begging to be forgiven. If you're
forgiven you do the same thing again and again. If you're not, you
form groups and boycott people, failing to admit that it was your
own fault.
If a person says they are offended by what they
do, even if you don't think it's offensive, have you ever considered
listening to them and understanding it from their point of view? I
didn't think so. That is the root of the problem.
Ever heard
of compromise? You do something, I don't like it. We discuss and
come to a happy medium. Case closed, everyone's happy.
No, in
the MUGEN scene, the moment you tell someone "I don't like that"
they place you on their blacklist and you're gone. You're finished.
No more Mr. Nice-Guy. They will make your life a misery because you
didn't conform to them. You're not their friend anymore. You're a
facist.
I've been in channels where you may just say a word
out of place, whether it be because the op isn't interested in what
you say or whether you've really said anything wrong and they
perm-ban you on the spot. People sure make it seem like #mugen is
like that, when during the entire time that I was there, it wasn't.
I often even went out of my way to talk to ops about
management.
I don't think it's unreasonable to try and keep a
channel at a humane level. If we opped everyone we'd have takeovers
all day like what I heard happened in #Mrev at one point (by someone
they all trusted and stood up for). I guess you people just can't
learn your lesson, is the concept of keeping things orderly just too
far beyond your comprehension?
Sunboy himself constantly
begged for ops, in and out of the channel. He still does. Two years
ago, he told me he'd stopped begging for ops, yet privately begged
other ops immediately after.
And if I recall correctly, I was
called arrogant because I did not approve of certain specific
people, of whom I won't name, taking my work and editing it without
permission.
Do I not have the right to do that? Also, if I
still recall correctly, I was flamed as a thief and a plagiarist as
a result of my disapproval, based on the accusation that none of my
work is actually mine but is Capcom's.
That's strange, I
wasn't aware that Capcom spent weeks coding for MUGEN without pay
and released individual characters to the public to play for free. I
didn't know Capcom had to spend a lot of time ripping and cleaning
up their own sprites using emulators.
Another case of people
changing the subject. "It's okay to steal from Visual Kreations
because we reckon he stole from others!"
Even in the real
world, that kind of stupid logic is invalid. Stealing is stealing.
Plagiarism is plagiarism.
When converting characters to MUGEN
there is a certain degree of plagiarism involved in converting
characters accurately, but we still accredit the original
developers.
I originally did not because I believed it was
common sense that the characters I converted were made by Capcom or
SNK, but after becoming the target of pointless flames I decided to
write every specific detail in my text files to satisfy the
public.
--
Here's another thing I wanted to address. I
read the "Damn Dev" and Deuce flames a while back (posted on MUGEN
Shank, as you might have noticed).
I often see people say,
"the people who do the most things should have the highest
status/ops!" in regard to people like VitalZero becoming operators
in #mugen.
Sorry, things don't work that way. Responsible
people are responsible people. You shouldn't judge potential
operators by the size of what they do but by how efficient and
trustworthy they are.
For example, I remember that people
used to constantly pressure me into opping [Ses] in #mugen. Their
reasoning was that he made MUGEN Character Maker, which is a utility
many people (except me) use for their MUGEN work.
But, even
though [Ses] seemed trustworthy, he rarely ever walked into #mugen.
What would be the point of opping him? We all already acknowledge
and appreciate his utilities (at least, I do).
Interestingly
enough, from what I had heard, [Ses] had also fallen from MUGEN
"Revolution"'s hall of grace and become another target of
flames.
My point is if you MUGEN "Revolution"ers really want
to go by the belief that "people who do the most things should have
the highest status/ops" then you should all be respecting me,
sitting down and shutting the hell up.
The number of things
I've made for MUGEN far surpasses all of yours. In fact, if I'm not
mistaken, all of my work even surpasses the total work of MUGEN
"Revolution". And the fact is, I didn't do them all to get in favour
of the public eye, or to show off to other people, but because I
enjoyed it and MUGEN is/was a hobby of mine.
Might I also
point out that my private work has yet to be leaked?
I do
know that someone whose name I won't mention leaked a private
version of Gouki (which is total @#%$ compared to more recent
versions) to gain favour with more "popular" people. I was foolish
enough to send them my work even though I didn't really trust them,
and that was the result.
It is obvious that the people I
associate with now are trustworthy. Some of which are even "members"
of MUGEN "Revolution".
I don't need to bribe them. They keep
my work to themselves simply because they are honourable.
If
we're the "bad" guys and we're trustworthy, what kind of people are
the "good" guys?
--
Speaking of my MUGEN work, I know
you people don't realise or give a damn, but a lot of MUGEN work is
still based on mine, if not directly copied from. You may think I
can't tell, but I can. Specific timing, layout and numbering of
states, and various mistakes I used to make, all are common in other
people's MUGEN work that I've downloaded.
Just as an example,
everyone still uses my old, buggy, ugly Gouki "Ashura Warp" coding.
There's plenty more things that are still being copied from
character to character with mine at the root.
There are even
a lot of ideas and concepts that were devised by me and used by
people who had my private work, and as a result, when they released
theirs to the public, the public copied them.
A lot of my
sprites are still being used, too. You people may think ripping
isn't a big thing, but I ripped my sprites back in the day where
there were no such utilities as shots factory.
You people
have shots factory and all kinds of other neat utilities now, yet
you can't rip sprites yourself? And you even have the gall to call
me a thief to justify it.
To be honest, even now a lot of
MUGEN characters still miss frames, have poor timing, bad axes,
terrible velocities and horrible gameplay issues among many other
problems.
People think making MUGEN characters is easy until
they try it for themselves, then they often give up and copy off
other people instead.
Most people can't even tell the
difference between a @#%$ character and a good one. All they care
about is the move list. The moves could be total crap with one
sprite and they wouldn't care.
To the MUGEN "community",
MUGEN is all about fancy lights, lots of special moves and fighting
to step over each other's ego.
The work of MUGEN "Revolution"
people isn't free from the above problems either.
But I can
honestly and wholeheartedly say that around five people on that
entire "member" list that Sunboy supplied has produced MUGEN work
that impressed me or met my standards.
I will even go so far
as to say that Sunboy himself produces work that is above average,
even though his work still has problems that mine don't.
If
anyone has the right to criticise other people's MUGEN work, it's me
and I can say so knowing that the true experts of MUGEN have tested
my work and have deemed it 99% accurate to the original games or
better. I don't even need them to do so anymore, I know exactly what
I need to do to make a perfect character, and I've proven it to
them.
By saying that I have the right to criticise other
people's MUGEN work, I am not being up myself like MUGEN authors
tend to be. I work hard to achieve what I want to do.
When a
person criticises me, whether I think they know what they are
talking about or not, I take into account whether that person has a
valid point and I check my work to see if I can make any corrections
based on their feedback.
When looking at some of Sunboy's
previous reactions to criticism, he would respond like
this:
"I have had fuck1ng ENOUGH of this SH1T coming from
these moronic r3tards who can't program for crap. You can all suck
on donkey balls. Don't expect me to (publicly) release any new
characters for how knows long (save a little thing or two at
MugenSHANK during the summer.)"
I don't quite approve of that
kind of reaction. It's very irrational and uncalled
for.
Criticism helps me improve as it should for anyone else
who is willing to admit their mistakes. Nobody compliments or
supports me yet my work still comes out on top.
Sure, I would
love to show you all my work.
I would love to show all of you
just how many problems almost everyone else's characters has, and
how much better things could be written.
I want you all to
see what can be done with MUGEN and how things should be
done.
I want to show you what I can do by myself without
forming stupid groups or copying anyone else's work.
But of
course, then almost everybody would just take my work and use it
again, wouldn't they? I'd once again be the source of almost
everyone's sprites, coding and ideas.
My name would be
omitted and lost once more, replaced by nobodies. Like with every
other thing I've released to the public. Quake, FAQs, MUGEN, sprite
rips and various tidbits.. you name it.
I even remember
people saying that once they download something it becomes theirs to
do whatever they want with it. They even said it's the same with
anything you buy. They claimed that if they buy a book they can copy
anything out of it or sell it to someone else.
Note: "Buy".
Buying involves payment. Nobody paid me anything.
From the
current state of the MUGEN scene and the general attitude of those
involved, you people should understand why I don't feel like
releasing my work to the public. And I don't have to do it, whether
under any @#%$ "General Public License" or not.
Those who
claim that I am selfish and that I don't have the right to stop
releasing my work to the public are hypocrites. Why do they
complain? Because they don't get what they want.
Sorry, I'm
not running a business and I'm not doing public beta testing or
taking orders. I simply allow everyone to enjoy my work, isn't that
enough? Apparently not, for parasites.
Why should I release
my work to a bunch of parasites that steal from it, sell it or just
play and expect me to supply them with more free entertainment? I
didn't do it just to get compliments. They should be happy just by
getting it, I didn't have to give it to them.
And about
quitting, I recall everyone would whinge about people who quit and
came back. Just who has done this multiple times?
Humm.. they all
look like MUGEN "Revolution" members!
That's right. I quit
and never came back.
Who is hated the most? "Humm.. Visual
Kreations! Because he doesn't supply us with free goodies!"
I
recall that when I quit I just complained about the direction the
scene was going and people said, "We don't need you, @#%$ off,
anyone can do what you do. We only want you for your
characters".
If I'm not mistaken, Sunboy once quit because
someone said that one of his characters could be improved. When he
did, he posted an extremely vulgar and immature message filled with
profanities and boasted about how legendary he believes he is, of
what he has/will make and what we won't get and can't
have.
Yet everybody responded by sending him messages of
sympathy and support.
That doesn't sound right to me.
If anyone can do anything I can, then why is it up until now
I haven't seen much MUGEN work that is up to scratch? Even Sunboy
feels this way.
People shouldn't get into the MUGEN scene if
all they are looking for is a pat on the head.
For the
record, I stopped development for MUGEN back in January. I am
dissatisfied with MUGEN's limitations.
Don't get me wrong, I
know almost every trick and loophole to implement just about
everything and anything (and have been doing so before anyone else
up until now).
What I want is enough features and more
control over everything so that I can make a complete game with
everything I want to implement, not for marketing purposes, but as
part of my hobby and for my own experience.
Everything for
MUGEN that I've done up until now has been great experience for
myself as it helps me to optimise my methods and fully understand
every feature of the MUGEN engine.
--
During the Matt
Hannon incident which some of you may remember, someone accused me
of having done something similar.
Like what? Do you mean
about how MUGEN was sold with my public work in it?
I still
can't understand how you people can't see the truth in front of your
face yet believe in ludicrous accusations like "Visual Kreations
sells MUGEN".
Just because a pirated version of MUGEN has one
of my text files in it, does not mean that I was the one who sold it
to people.
You think that I, one person on my own, after
quitting releasing to the public, would print thousands of copies of
MUGEN onto CDS and then market them to places like Korea, China,
Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Brazil, Spain and America?
I
don't know what kind of @#%$ you people are smoking.
Oh, and
I remember once having seen someone's site that had some of my
characters on it, but there were no URLs for
downloading.
Instead, there was a big message on each saying
"BLAME VISUAL KREATIONS HE TOLD ME TO TAKE IT DOWN".
Who the
hell was that? I'd never even seen their site before in my life.
This was after I had already quit the public scene and stopped
e-mailing anyone for at least a year.
I should use this
opportunity to let everyone know that my Crosswinds website went
down, I suspect because someone was directly linking to my AVI
files.
I don't know because Crosswinds won't tell me. They
suck.
I will also point out that someone, I won't mention
who, is still e-mailing service providers hosting MUGEN websites of
people I know and reporting that they have illegal downloads on
their website.
This is obviously a sick tactic to try and
become more "popular". These kinds of people are common in the MUGEN
scene. Which is another reason why I'm not interested in
returning.
--
To Ragnarok Nemo, here's what I have to
say about some of the things you've said on this
thread.
"Every one on that list is a known potential
instigator, and a known and convicted felon of thought crimes
against this great forum. Ban every one of them if you ban a single
one."
You make it sound as if we are discriminating against
MUGEN "Revolution" and taunting us to ban all and not one, you are
trying to stand up for those in your group that cause trouble,
hinting that you approve of their flaming, flooding, spamming, etc.
There are those that deserve to be banned for their behaviour and
those that don't.
"Flames should not be a problem. People
with quick wits should be able to DEFUSE a flame war, rather than
fuel it by taking another potshot. Besides, if someone's flaming
you, they usually have a legitimate reason. Flaming should not be a
bannable offense."
Sorry, I don't agree with that.
How
many occasions have I seen members, if not the "leader", of MUGEN
"Revolution", post replies like this to an innocent character
release topic:
"Your character sucks @#%$, download mine
instead."
"Get your @#%$ velocities right!"
"Why the
@#%$ would this character have this kind of attack?!"
"You
should quit because you suck."
The list goes on and on. If
you want to tell someone that their character sucks or could be
improved, is it so difficult as to write it in a more civil
manner?
Sunboy himself believes he has quick wits. I've never
seen him DEFUSE anything. I've even seen him start flames or post
useless posts on other forums that are unrelated to
MUGEN.
That's just Sunboy alone, and he's your
"leader".
"Now, writing an entire post in vulgarities, or in
language that is otherwise utterly incomprehensible, should be a
bannable offense."
Once again, if this were true, Sunboy
should have been banned a long time ago along with most of his
underlings, not only for posting vulgarities.
You think I
haven't noticed that Sunboy goes out of his way to write things in
such a fanciful manner so as to make himself look more educated than
others? His posts are often incomprehensible to the majority of
readers.
If Sunboy is truly your saviour and "leader", he
should be making his posts as easy to understand as possible and not
use @#%$ words and phrases that most people are not familiar
with.
--
About MUGEN Development Forum, as long as
nobody's willing to pay for it (gee, I wonder why) it'll just go to
hell and I don't really care.
I don't think most of you
people care, either. It's just an excuse for people to flame and
blame.
You MUGEN "Revolution" members wanted everyone to go
to MUGEN Shank, didn't you? That's what you wanted from the start.
Then you should just shut up and stop complaining and blaming people
about what happened to MUGEN Development Forum and stay
there.
You groupies who go around causing trouble have no
right to blame the admins and mods for not stopping you. As posters
on the forum it's also your responsibility to post stuff that's
worthwhile. You have no right to tell us off for your bad
behaviour.
It's also been brought to my attention that people
are blaming Kenshin for assigning specific people to moderator and
administration status.
I don't know if you people realise it
but MUGEN Development Forum has changed hands many times. From
Kenshin, to Deuce, to Warpticon. Neither is to blame except for
maybe their poor choice in choosing certain moderators that have
little tantrums in support of their favorite gang.
I know
that those people chose those moderators and administrators because
they felt that they were trustworthy. It is not because of
"favoritism". Would you not think that someone would choose people
that they know they can trust? Instead of just handpicking people
they don't know anything about who claim they can be
trusted?
A lot of people like to complain to get attention. I
complain because I think things could be improved upon. There's a
difference.
I'm not interested in banning whoever. I don't
even read the MUGEN Development Forum anymore, I just happened to
peek at this url that Herman pasted - lo and behold! Sunboy flaming
me for no reason, again.
The people who, like me, are
interested in MUGEN as a hobby and not as an ego-trip, whether they
are associated with MUGEN "Revolution" or any other miserable gang
or not, don't care about all these stupid flames and
arguments.
Whoever heard of a free development scene that's
split into several gangs that go out of their way to make each other
miserable? It's all @#%$ @#%$.
--
That's all I have to
say. You can tell this has just been thrown together. I'm also not
good at expressing exactly how I feel through words.
It is no
doubt to me that once I've posted this, Sunboy and his group will be
making little snide remarks and pointing out any spelling or
grammatical errors I've made, or even toss around the specific terms
I use for their own amusement. Even better, they'll change the
subject of this thread, like they always do, and focus on some
totally irrelevant thing.
What is it going to be this time?
"Visual Kreations is a thief and a plagiarist so nobody should
listen to him." Umm, sorry. Substitute my name for yours.
Why
don't you bastards just sit down and work on MUGEN for a
change?
Face your own flaws and mistakes and change for the
better, not hide behind other people and pat each other's back
saying "it's all-right" when it's not. Show me something I can be
impressed by. The people I still talk to can.. and they don't have
to act like assholes and flame everyone they see while they do it,
either.
You got your long awaited reply, Sunboy. I hope
you're happy with it, you can play with it until you find another
fixation. I and a few others would like to know what drugs you're
high on though, as it seems to be some pretty strong
stuff.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to bed.
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