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Super User II Turbo
(5/6/02 2:06:26 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
why cant we all live in peace ?? both of you guys make cool chars and thats what mugen is about so this is my idea

and stop this war already if ya wanna prove whoose better than thibnk a way and settle this once and for all i have nothing against dev and mugen shank im a member of both and like both so stop this war

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Super User II Turbo
(5/6/02 2:16:11 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
Since when does every other sentence require a new paragraph?

THE FOLLOWING SIG HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY THE NDO:
new dev order
Just 2 SWEEEEET!!

shinaku
I am Hot Stuff!
(5/6/02 2:20:58 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
From what I can gather, starting a war was never our intent. We simply provided a list for Herman so that he could go through with his mass-ban.

megamanDRN001 
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(5/6/02 2:24:51 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
VK: Ok.... I may be WAY out of line here, since I don't do anything for the community, but you're almost completley, 100% wrong.

The people at mREV aren't there as a gang, or a club, or because of warez, or because they're thugs, or any other retarded thing you've said. Simply put, birds of a feather flock together. It's a place where the best and brightest creators can go to hang out with the other best and brightest creators... moreover, they don't have to deal with the average retarded-ness of the average DEVer to DO so. Why's that? Because sunboy doesn't ALLOW it. Guess what? The board is the most intelligent and flame free board I've ever SEEN. There are rules, but he almost didn't have to post them. Flames are banned, but there's no need for it. No one flames there anyway, because no one is a constant idiot.

Sunboy doesn't stab people in the back, or bribe them, or lead them, or taunt them, or anything. Shank is just a group of intelligent and talented friends discussing their favorite hobbies, among other things.

Finally, you quit three years ago and persist in holding up an umbrella to protect the idiocy that plagues this board. You do even less for the community than I do. At least I try to shoo the blackest of the crows away, not give them a place to roost safely.

Dont be jealous just because your board is falling apart and almost worthless, and sunboy's is growing strong and has all the best stuff. I'm tired of people accusing sunboy of being everything from a thug to a loser just because he made a place that's run right and doesn't allow people to be monkeys.

So in closing, you can lick my balls VK, if I may be graphic.

Robogeminis: You were intelligent and making sense for like the first week you were here, then it just kind of fell apart. Your opinion DOESN'T matter, because all you ever say is "let's hold hands and be friends and not say anything when someone acts like a moron". Please take your rainbows, puppies, and care bear stare somewhere else and let the people who actually discuss points talk.


Microwave... the Terminator in Super-Hero form...

Edited by: megamanDRN001  at: 5/6/02 2:48:16 am
shinaku
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(5/6/02 2:50:37 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
But...what's wrong with holding hands? Sunboy, can we still hold hands?

THE FOLLOWING SIG HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY THE NDO

Uh, I guess it is for life.

sunboy
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(5/6/02 3:10:40 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
Cleveland? I think it's more the size of Mars. I'm glad that that little shot of mine got him out in the open. My malice is renewed, doubled, and completely and thoroughly justified.

For your amusement, here are the misconceptions and assumptions by the great, honorable VK:

-The name people flame. The person everyone hates. Because I don't release my work to the public.
-posting unnecessary flames, harassing individuals, constantly attempting takeovers of channels and running amok when bestowed moderator status.
-Even though I quit three years ago.
-If there's anything the majority of MUGEN "Revolution" does together it's flaming and causing trouble. Reading over some of the asinine posts on this thread alone only supports my argument.
-Sunboy and his flaming mentor R________.
-I sometimes wonder if he targets me because I don't want to associate with MUGEN "Revolution".
-From his flames it's almost like telling me, "you will join me or I will make you suffer".
-Sunboy [...] the kind of person that uses people and constantly stabs them in the back, bribing them [...] with warez or MUGEN characters [...]. I know for a fact that many MUGEN "Revolution" members do this.
-People like me aren't into MUGEN to show off, to see whose work is better
-Sunboy likes to make everything into some big competition.
-Yet, almost every day, I hear something of the majority of members from MUGEN "Revolution" badmouthing me.
-Why does he insist on trying to get in contact with me?
-Sunboy, you've spent so much time stabbing in the dark at me for the past three years or so.
-Well I'm not fighting back.
-using them to boost your gang name.

That's just up to the first "--." I'm too jaded to go through the rest.

And as I perused this (to-be-classic) 5318-word tome of his, all that ran through my head was "this guy thinks he's the world to everyone" because he seems to know EVERYTHING about EVERYONE, even though "I would never know since I don't even look at the MUGEN scene anymore."

"MUGEN isn't a @#%$ competition. It's not there for people to build their ego, either.
[...]
I'd once again be the source of almost everyone's sprites, coding and ideas."
-Visual Kreations

dhtp
User Gamma/(EX*pi/42)-2^12
(5/6/02 3:15:21 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
see, the problem is that some great creators have bad social skills. We cannot change that, and banning them would probably be considered to be a sin to the mugen community.
I think that we have to just live with it.

Deuce to ya! <------ Means "Peace"

dhtp

"It takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to work the trigger of a good sniper rifle"

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Super User II Turbo
(5/6/02 3:28:51 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
right ya are dhtp (i still think that fDo would be much better ^___^ and it could be for everyone)

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User Gamma/(EX*pi/42)-2^12
(5/6/02 3:31:44 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
you have a good idea, but I don't think that a lot of people would follow.

Deuce to ya! <------ Means "Peace"

dhtp

"It takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to work the trigger of a good sniper rifle"

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Super User II Turbo
(5/6/02 3:48:01 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
why?

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User Gamma/(EX*pi/42)-2^12
(5/6/02 3:53:17 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
people tend to want to flame, i guess they think that it is exciting. look at all the locked topics, people who start those topics *usually* want to start a flame war. I might be wrong, some people might join, but I guess there only one way to find out....

Deuce to ya! <------ Means "Peace"

dhtp

"It takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to work the trigger of a good sniper rifle"

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Super User II Turbo
(5/6/02 4:01:17 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
yeah i know that but what way? i just want dev to be place whree every body can simply talk in a cool atmosphere

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User Gamma/(EX*pi/42)-2^12
(5/6/02 4:11:32 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
we all do, but not everyone is the same......
let's create a challenge for you guys who are in constant flame wars. I know it has been done before, but:

Can we go without flaming for a week or so? or atleast count howmany flame wars occur within a week? if you think that an edit is really bad, then tell the person how he/she can fix it, don't just insult their creations. I think that this would be a start. You know, just look at the bright side of everything....

Deuce to ya! <------ Means "Peace"

dhtp

"It takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to work the trigger of a good sniper rifle"

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Super User II Turbo
(5/6/02 4:13:41 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
right dhtp gott do that
(so do you want to be fDo?)
peace

dhtp
User Gamma/(EX*pi/42)-2^12
(5/6/02 4:16:19 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
I wouldn't mind,

gotta change my sig :lol

Deuce to ya! <------ Means "Peace"

dhtp

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megamanDRN001 
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(5/6/02 4:28:44 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
Why can't we live in peace? It's the same reason a messy person and a clean person can't live together in the same room in peace. Neither is wrong, neither is right. You think we're harsh and mean, and your brand of idiocy and nigh incoherent posts burns our brains. That's just the way things are. Instead of futilely banning flames or immaturely banning people, we should at least have a place where we can duke it out when it comes to that. If you don't think general discussion is the place to do it, then create a flaming forum where we can. Total peace can never be acheived.


Microwave... the Terminator in Super-Hero form...

dhtp
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(5/6/02 4:31:18 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
Quote:
Total peace can never be acheived.


is this human nature? if it is then we must be pretty evil not to be able to live with each other, and we are only 509 people.

Deuce to ya! <------ Means "Peace"

dhtp

"It takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to work the trigger of a good sniper rifle"

jaydamage18
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(5/6/02 4:36:24 am)
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Bring it on, Herman
hey i wouldnt mind being in the fDo just that someone would have to make a sig for me :-) anyway as far as the serious issues go banning peple would be pretty wrong and as stupid as flaming is it's like terroism it'll always be there

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Super User II Turbo
(5/6/02 4:45:36 am)
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Re: Bring it on, Herman
so make'em signs guys
and i think that peace can be achived people just have to want it

Kitsune Sniper 
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(5/6/02 4:54:17 am)
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What the hell, I have a bit of time...

I will not go over what VK said again... point for point, I mean. I will just explain why I think sunboy posted my name in that list, asides from other things.

I dislike how this place is run. I dislike where this place is run. But what can I do about those two? I can email the admins and request that action be taken against some people, but they usually do their job. I can't donate money (I'm in Mexico and can't use a credit card) to improve this board and remove the pop-ups.

But that doesn't mean that I have to flame everyone everytime. I don't really like to flame, even though I've done it in the past, and I do not deny my mistakes... I do contribute a bit, and some of that work has been done to increase my ego (see the incident with O Ilusionista about him not announcing my version of the KOF2K1 Mexico stage at MGBR to see what I mean; that went WAAAAAAY out of hand by my part), but mostly it's because I HAVE FUN. My life is crap, school is crap, I barely have friends. But I enjoy doing this.

I've been here since 00731... and I've only received ONE EMAIL saying thanks. And that was about a week ago. So much for my ego getting stroked (I think that is the correct phrase). I could never be a part of MRev, at least as much as the current members are. Because I'm too nice to be one. I'm good friends with Shin Samanosuke, even though a lot of them hate him. He knows that and trusts me... though I'm sure that it's not completely.

I'll be bluntly honest for a moment: I don't give a flying f u c k about you, VK. I know you are one of the most well known people in Mugen, and have heard things about you. But know what? I don't care about them. I did want to contact you about some of your code in Deuce's Geese, but I haven't had the time. I think I won't be able to after this incident.

I guess that 90% of Rev accepts, no, TOLERATES me because I show that my IQ is not too low. I think. I don't steal code, I try to be polite, and I do take stabs at all of them, but I don't flame. I ain't the smartest person around, but I try to help out anyone that needs it.

*sigh* This post has grown out of proportions... Mugen isn't my favorite hobby. Reading and Romhacking are my priorities, my FIRST hobbies. Mugen is just a way to get away from those things. I've made good friends around here. People that are part of the NDO. What they do in this board isn't my problem. I just talk to the people and be friendly.

Oh, I left #mugen because I didn't like the way it was... I don't have anything against ops, users, or whatever in there - the content of the conversations, though, that I did have a problem with. I dare say that the only time I EVER received advice on programming was when I was making my first three stages; everything after that revolved around #bearcave, whatever that was. I rarely get on IRC anymore; only at Polymer City Chronicle's channel.

So... to sum it up. You, VK, are a person I don't care about. Herman is trying to fix the things here, but his actions alone won't do much. Even mass banning whoever is an "instigator", to use Rags' words, wouldn't help. Because sooner or later, someone else will not like the way this place is run.

So that's it, I guess. I will keep posting until I get banned. I won't flame, though. That isn't for me to do.

~Dave Silva
~Mexico

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